Just concluded our first office hour. Not a lot of action!
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CodeIgniter Office Hour - Jan 3rd, 2015
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: Welcome to the CodeIgniter Office Hour
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: This is Jim Parry, Project Lead
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: We are here to answer any questions you have. Be nice!
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
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(10:36:17 AM) dude: hello
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(10:36:42 AM) Guest75135: anyone here?
(10:37:02 AM) jlparry: hello
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: Welcome to the CodeIgniter Office Hour
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: This is Jim Parry, Project Lead
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: We are here to answer any questions you have. Be nice!
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(10:39:03 AM) Guest75135: I'm deciding between laravel and codeigniter... I'm leaning more towards code igniter though because laravel takes a lot to learn
(10:39:13 AM) Guest75135: Any thoughts on the differences?
(10:39:46 AM) jlparry: CI is lean, Laravel includes bells & whistles. both are popular, for different reasons
(10:41:14 AM) jlparry: CI needs a better mechanism to integrate some of the "addons" that other frameworks have (authentication, etc), but without bundling any of those bells & whistles with CI itself
(10:41:15 AM) Guest75135: Which one do you think will last longer?
(10:41:23 AM) jlparry: CI :D
(10:41:40 AM) jlparry: (personal opinion)
(10:41:51 AM) Guest75135: lol
(10:42:01 AM) jlparry: ask a loaded question ...
(10:42:08 AM) jlparry: ... and you get a loaded answer!
(10:42:51 AM) Guest75135: laravel's github seems to be less active too, but it does have more stars.
(10:42:54 AM) jlparry: Seriously, I can't speak for Laravel, but CI should see continued evolution for the next few years
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(10:46:18 AM) jlparry: Hmm ... "laravel/laravel" has more stars, but development is supposed to happen on the "laravel/framework" repo, which doesn't have quite so many stars or forks
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(10:47:27 AM) Decimoe: laravel is terrible if you're looking at LTS
(10:47:44 AM) Decimoe: since they come out with a completely new release every year
(10:47:52 AM) Decimoe: that breaks previous versions
(10:48:31 AM) Decimoe: if all you want is the latest for your projects and don't mind rewriting each project every year when a new version releases, then laravel is your choice.
(10:48:58 AM) Decimoe: with codeigniter you're guaranteed backwards compatibility at the cost of the latest tech.
(10:49:14 AM) Decimoe: that's my opinion anyway
(10:50:00 AM) Decimoe: hopefully in at least CI4 we can see some more modern conventions being implemented to bring it somewhat close to the more "modern" frameworks out there.
(10:50:06 AM) jlparry: I concur, but I don't want to say negative things myself
(10:50:18 AM) jlparry: yes
(10:51:10 AM) jlparry: not so much to keep up with the "Jones", but instead to strengthen the framework
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(10:51:36 AM) i_eat_hats: when is the new codeigniter being released?
(10:51:39 AM) jlparry: soon
(10:51:56 AM) i_eat_hats: like....
(10:52:05 AM) i_eat_hats: this year?
(10:52:17 AM) jlparry: seriously, we have documentation updates, QA pass, release packaging, and then a release candidate
(10:52:23 AM) jlparry: this year == 2015? yes
(10:53:03 AM) Decimoe: if youc an guarantee that no breaking changes will be made
(10:53:10 AM) Decimoe: then maybe I can start using it
(10:53:22 AM) jlparry: this is a huge collective volunteer effort, and we cannot predict with great accuracy exactly when those tasks will be completed
(10:53:51 AM) i_eat_hats: Is it hard to migrate if I use current?
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(10:54:08 AM) jlparry: the only potentially breaking changes would be in the feature/session branch, and I can't speak to that
(10:54:35 AM) jlparry: narf might be lurking, and if so could comment on any breaking changes in that branch
(10:54:59 AM) jlparry: i_eat_hats: hard to migrate from current to official release? no
(10:55:38 AM) i_eat_hats: ya
(10:55:41 AM) Narf: there are some breaking changes, but most are tiny
(10:55:54 AM) Narf: all are described in the upgrade guide
(10:55:54 AM) jlparry: i_eat_hats: hard to migrate from 2.2 to 3.x? lots of picky details to remember ...http://www.codeigniter.com/userguide3/installation/upgrade_300.html
(10:55:57 AM) Narf: http://www.codeigniter.com/userguide3/installation/upgrade_300.html
(10:56:06 AM) jlparry: hehe - we are on the same wavelength
(10:56:22 AM) Narf: in feature/session, there are some too, but are all low-level stuff
(10:56:27 AM) i_eat_hats: Well what if I use the last stable and then migrate
(10:56:40 AM) jlparry: migrate to the current develop branch
(10:56:42 AM) Narf: which means that if you hadn't extended the session library, there shouldn't be any problem
iBotPeaches_ i_eat_hats
(10:58:28 AM) jlparry: i_eat_hats: by "current" above, i was thinking "develop", not "2.2 stable"
(11:00:31 AM) i_eat_hats: Which would you guys suggest, start a project on the latest dev branch, or the last stable?
(11:00:53 AM) jlparry: i suggest the latest dev branch
(11:01:08 AM) Narf: me too
(11:01:11 AM) i_eat_hats: coolio
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(11:07:34 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(11:07:34 AM) jlparry: Thank you for joining us for the CodeIgniter Office Hour
(11:07:34 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(11:07:44 AM) jlparry: ttfn
James Parry
Project Lead
