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Office Hours - October 2015

#1
I am scheduling two "office hours" at the beginning of October: Friday October 3, 07:00UTC (11pm my time Thursday, 8am central Europe) and Friday October 3, 16:00UTC (8am my time Friday, 5pm central Europe). Hopefully I got the times right - I am sure someone will correct me if I didn't Undecided

I had planned to hold these quarterly, but summer vacations & busy schedules got in the way of a July one.


During one-hour timeslots starting at each of the above times, I will be on the CodeIgniter IRC channel to answer questions you might have. We expect that CodeIgniter 4 will be a hot topic! I plan to have a project update posted on October 1st, to give you a day or two to absorb what we have done recently, and what we are up to for the next while.

I may be joined by one or more of the other council members. For those unable to "attend", the transcript will be posted here.
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#2
(09-07-2015, 06:06 PM)ciadmin Wrote: I am scheduling two "office hours" at the beginning of October: Friday October 3, 07:00UTC (11pm my time Thursday, 8am central Europe) and Friday October 3, 16:00UTC (8am my time Friday, 5pm central Europe). Hopefully I got the times right - I am sure someone will correct me if I didn't Undecided

October 3 is a saturday, not a friday.
I found this site to help convert to local time :
1st meeting: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=...-3&sln=7-8
2nd meeting: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=...&sln=16-17
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#3
Oops - I got the date wrong!! It should read Friday Oct 2!!
My time, the first meeting will be at midnight (thursday), and the second one will be 9am (friday).
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#4
This evening's office hour has concluded (transcript below).
next office hour in the morning Undecided


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(10:55:46 PM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(10:55:46 PM) jlparry: Welcome to the CodeIgniter Office Hour(s)
(10:55:46 PM) jlparry: This is Jim Parry, Project Lead
(10:55:46 PM) jlparry: We are here to answer any questions you have. Be nice!
(10:55:46 PM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(10:59:57 PM) moveax: hi jlparry
(11:01:36 PM) moveax: http://forum.codeigniter.com/thread-63166-post-323682.html#pid323682
(11:02:54 PM) jlparry: heya
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(11:27:22 PM) slax0r: noooooooooo

(11:27:26 PM) slax0r: NOT ON A FRIDAY!!!!!
(11:28:55 PM) moveax: morns slax0r
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(11:29:05 PM) moveax: TGIF indeed
(11:34:16 PM) slax0r: what's the point of a firday if reddit is down?
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(11:39:22 PM) slax0r: oh yeah, morning everybody
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(11:51:21 PM) xxc_michael: what's office hours .... have i missed something
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(11:54:23 PM) moveax: xxc_michael: see the link i posted
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(11:54:37 PM) moveax: the project lead is answering questions to the ci project
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(11:57:49 PM) xxc_michael: whoa haven't entered CI forum from years .. things have changed a lot
(11:58:20 PM) moveax: same here
(11:58:35 PM) moveax: the docs are so nice, you don't need to go there (if you read em properly)
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(12:20:24 AM) xxc_michael: jlparry: What are the plans for CI4 - i see there are a lot of topics and discussions going on but there isn't any repo or anything written. So .... Are there any fixed dates or anything that the dev will start?
(12:22:01 AM) jlparry: xxc_michael: the roadmap has been published on the forum, with the ordered groups of components to implement.
(12:22:39 AM) jlparry: xxc_michael: we have a low profile repo where we are prototyping core components, before opening it up for general development
(12:22:50 AM) jlparry: xxc_michael: timeframe ... when it is ready :-/
(12:23:21 AM) jlparry: xxc_michael: seriously, lonnie & narf are doing the bulk of the heavy lifting at the moment, and trying to make sure we have a workable core
(12:29:17 AM) xxc_michael: Thanks for the response ;)
(12:32:52 AM) skope: so 4 is complete rewrite?
(12:33:02 AM) jlparry: yes
(12:33:09 AM) skope: awesome!
(12:33:12 AM) jlparry: fun!
(12:34:43 AM) _druu: TEQUILA!
(12:34:49 AM) _druu: what are we playing?
(12:35:17 AM) moveax: Q&A with topic codeigniter ;)
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(01:07:23 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(01:07:23 AM) jlparry: Thank you for joining us for the CodeIgniter Office Hour
(01:07:23 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
James Parry
Project Lead
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#5
This morning's office hour has concluded (transcript below).
Look forward to the next office hour towards the end of the year!

Code:
(07:57:18 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(07:57:18 AM) jlparry: Welcome to the CodeIgniter Office Hour(s)
(07:57:18 AM) jlparry: This is Jim Parry, Project Lead
(07:57:18 AM) jlparry: We are here to answer any questions you have. Be nice!
(07:57:18 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(07:57:28 AM) VictorCL: :D
(07:57:54 AM) ^Lestat: isexy
(07:57:54 AM) VictorCL: jlparry how is ver 4 going?
(07:58:20 AM) moveax: jlparry: this morning (my time) you telled us about codeigniter 4. You said it will be a complete rewrite. How about backwards compatibility?
(07:58:43 AM) LouCypher: good day jlparry
(07:59:13 AM) jlparry: lonnie & andrey are prototyping the core components, well maybe not as we speak ... trying to make sure we have it "right" before making a public repo under bcit-ci and opening the floodgates
motakjuq moveax
(08:00:08 AM) jlparry: moveax: CI4 will break BC for sure. Adopting PHP7 pretty much guarantees that
(08:00:28 AM) moveax: ok, thanks :)
(08:00:37 AM) jlparry: moveax: we are trying to retain the philosophy of CI ... lean, mean, powerful ... while modernizing
(08:00:43 AM) jlparry: LouCypher: heya
(08:00:47 AM) VictorCL: so no option to upgrade?
(08:00:52 AM) mindtech: so CI4 would be a complete reboot of the core/structures of old CI's?
(08:01:21 AM) LouCypher: as long as it wont' end up like laravel having 40 megs of core files ... :D
(08:01:28 AM) jlparry: VictorCL: not clear. that has been suggested, and everyone seems to think it is a good idea, but not sure how to build it yet. that is an issue for pre-release
(08:02:02 AM) mindtech: i dont like laravel.
(08:02:12 AM) LouCypher: +1
(08:02:36 AM) mindtech: better to use micro frameworks than laravel
(08:02:49 AM) VictorCL: jlparry it will use active records or introduce some orm into it?
(08:03:05 AM) jlparry: mindtech: i think so, if i understand you properly. we are trying to maintain some of the magic (er segment based routing) while providing for working outside that
(08:03:06 AM) LouCypher: doctrine for slax0r :P
(08:03:32 AM) jlparry: LouCypher: CI4 will be lean. if anything, even leaner and smaller than CI3!
(08:03:54 AM) jlparry: CI4 will *not* be laravel, or anything close in terms of bundled stuff
(08:04:06 AM) LouCypher: that is good news jlparry
(08:04:22 AM) jlparry: but it should be easier to integrate other stuff, maybe even doctrine (shudder)
(08:04:26 AM) mindtech: what about the php version support? 5.5+?
(08:04:52 AM) LouCypher: i think earlier he said adopt 7 ?
(08:05:01 AM) jlparry: VictorCL: no ORM, but developers should be able to plug theirs in. query builder capability makes sense as a core abstraction
(08:05:13 AM) jlparry: mindtech: php7
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(08:06:09 AM) jlparry: CI4 will be a full, but lean framework ... more than micro, less than "macro"
(08:06:28 AM) mindtech: new name for php 5.7
(08:06:35 AM) mindtech: php 7
(08:07:18 AM) jlparry: mindtech: hmmm - matter of opinion. there is enough different to call it a new version, i think
(08:07:22 AM) VictorCL: jlparry another thing, the site codeigniter.com has been down a few times this month
(08:08:21 AM) jlparry: VictorCL: once that i am aware of ... not sure why apache fell over. we are using cloudflare now, for CDN ... downtime should no longer be apparent
(08:09:08 AM) VictorCL: cool :D
(08:09:17 AM) VictorCL: well I remember it cause couldnt access the guies
(08:09:24 AM) VictorCL: docs I mean
(08:09:40 AM) VictorCL: got to go,
(08:09:44 AM) jlparry: i am trying to migrate the main site and the forum to totally SSL, but there are so many buried links :(
(08:10:25 AM) jlparry: the user guide seems to be happily dished using the CDN ... not sure about the performance, but it should be improved over a month ago :)
(08:10:33 AM) mindtech: will CI4 maintain the exising systax for its coding style and routing? or CI4 will be a new learning curve? when will be he release date?
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(08:12:18 AM) jlparry: mindtech: no guarantees on syntax ... it is too early to tell; we want to keep the option of some of the current CI "way" - segment based routing, convention based component location, etc; while opening up namespaced components that can be anywhere the developer wants them
(08:12:58 AM) jlparry: mindtech: there will be a learning curve, for sure, but hopefully a path through the new stuff that current developers are comfortable with
(08:13:35 AM) mindtech: nice. okay thanks. got to go hit the sack.
(08:14:06 AM) jlparry: mindtech: release date unspecified. given the anticipated work involved, we expect 12-15 months of development, which would suggest 2017.
(08:14:22 AM) jlparry: Lonnie's post on the forum has a much better explanation :)
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(08:14:54 AM) jlparry: http://forum.codeigniter.com/thread-62615.html
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(08:36:03 AM) ^Lestat: omg
(08:36:30 AM) LouCypher: time flies when jlparry is around :)
(08:38:18 AM) ^Lestat: That forum thread
(08:39:55 AM) jlparry: ^Lestat: ?
(08:40:09 AM) ^Lestat: Change is hard
(08:40:27 AM) ^Lestat: Im worried it will change to be over my head (which doesnt take much)
(08:40:36 AM) jlparry: perhaps, but it is sometimes necessary
(08:40:58 AM) jlparry: ^Lestat: i am not in a position to comment on that, now or with CI4 :p
(08:41:15 AM) ^Lestat: hehe
(08:41:22 AM) ^Lestat: cart removal ;/
(08:41:41 AM) ^Lestat: I need to kick up my learning
(08:42:11 AM) ^Lestat: I know nothing abt namespaces
(08:42:12 AM) jlparry: that has been in the wind for a while ... the CI one is a pain, and there are many better ones out there
(08:42:43 AM) ^Lestat: php 5
(08:42:45 AM) LouCypher: namespaces are a necessity ...
(08:42:57 AM) jlparry: namespaces are kinda important with the newer php
(08:43:27 AM) LouCypher: i think there are a lot of ppl that don't want to use ci because of namespaces
(08:43:32 AM) ^Lestat: yea, especially if I am going to be using others libs. I will need to know how that all works
(08:43:43 AM) jlparry: ya
(08:43:58 AM) jlparry: we are emerging from the "dark ages", according to many :-/
(08:44:33 AM) LouCypher: well .. as long as you don't go too much to the future ... :p
(08:45:14 AM) LouCypher: a nice feature would be .. just came to me ... to be able to create a quick "admin" page with crud
(08:45:17 AM) LouCypher: options
(08:45:28 AM) LouCypher: kinda like symfony 1 had - not sure if 2 has it anymore
(08:46:15 AM) jlparry: LouCypher: have you checked the CI4 subforum? that has been proposed, but not likely to be core
(08:46:21 AM) jlparry: more likely as an addon
(08:46:32 AM) LouCypher: jlparry i must say i haven't
(08:48:13 AM) jlparry: the community has proposed all sorts of things ... the usual (hmvc, scaffolding, ...), a bazillion ORM or templating engines, better unit testing / debugging support
(08:48:40 AM) LouCypher: i was just watching some flames over template engines :))
(08:48:44 AM) ^Lestat: hmvc ;)
(08:48:48 AM) jlparry: some of these will find their way into the core, others will be left to addons, which we will try to make as painless as possible
(08:48:50 AM) jlparry: ya
(08:49:29 AM) jlparry: template engines ... many think "theirs" is the best, and should be bundled. no consensus!!
(08:49:37 AM) LouCypher: http://forum.codeigniter.com/thread-62730.html this guy is already using ci4 ...
(08:49:54 AM) jlparry: hmvc - most agree it is good, but most of what we have seen misuses the pattern.
(08:50:12 AM) ^Lestat: Oh I loves it
(08:51:42 AM) LouCypher: back to work ... need to punish myself for not commenting well
(08:52:12 AM) jlparry: ciao
(08:53:22 AM) LouCypher: have a good day
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(08:59:45 AM) ^Lestat: hmmm I never red the forums
(08:59:52 AM) jlparry: I will be around for a while yet, in case anyone (me?) got the time wrong :-|
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(09:08:14 AM) hsquared: jlparry: like that short intro round and the introduction thread from the forums
(09:09:18 AM) hsquared: besides any discussion on the content (I don't have enoug knowledge) it keeps people informed about the status of thee project and the planned future
(09:09:22 AM) hsquared: so everything right
(09:15:23 AM) jlparry: hsquared: :D
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(09:32:22 AM) jlparry: That's a wrap, then!
(09:32:46 AM) jlparry: **********************************************************
(09:32:46 AM) jlparry: Thank you for having joined us for the CodeIgniter Office Hour
(09:32:46 AM) jlparry: **********************************************************
James Parry
Project Lead
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