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Office Hour January 3rd, 2015

#1
We are going to have an "office hour" in our IRC channel, starting at 10:00PST (UTC -8) on Saturday Jan 3rd.


I will be in the channel, available to answer any questions you might have. I expect to be joined by one or more of the other council members.

If this works well, we can make this a regular event, at different times of the day/week to accommodate community members in different timezones.
James Parry
Project Lead
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#2
Just concluded our first office hour. Not a lot of action!
If you are interested in future such sessions, reply to the thread, please.

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CodeIgniter Office Hour - Jan 3rd, 2015

(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: Welcome to the CodeIgniter Office Hour
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: This is Jim Parry, Project Lead
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: We are here to answer any questions you have. Be nice!
(10:01:26 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
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(10:23:15 AM) Alina-malina [[email protected]/alina-malina] entered the room.
(10:30:06 AM) jailbot left the room (quit: Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…).
(10:36:08 AM) dude [[email protected]/web/freenode/ip.75.142.44.10] entered the room.
(10:36:17 AM) dude: hello
(10:36:31 AM) dude is now known as Guest75135
(10:36:42 AM) Guest75135: anyone here?
(10:37:02 AM) jlparry: hello
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: Welcome to the CodeIgniter Office Hour
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: This is Jim Parry, Project Lead
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: We are here to answer any questions you have. Be nice!
(10:37:20 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(10:39:03 AM) Guest75135: I'm deciding between laravel and codeigniter... I'm leaning more towards code igniter though because laravel takes a lot to learn
(10:39:13 AM) Guest75135: Any thoughts on the differences?
(10:39:46 AM) jlparry: CI is lean, Laravel includes bells & whistles. both are popular, for different reasons
(10:41:14 AM) jlparry: CI needs a better mechanism to integrate some of the "addons" that other frameworks have (authentication, etc), but without bundling any of those bells & whistles with CI itself
(10:41:15 AM) Guest75135: Which one do you think will last longer?
(10:41:23 AM) jlparry: CI :D
(10:41:40 AM) jlparry: (personal opinion)
(10:41:51 AM) Guest75135: lol
(10:42:01 AM) jlparry: ask a loaded question ...
(10:42:08 AM) jlparry: ... and you get a loaded answer!
(10:42:51 AM) Guest75135: laravel's github seems to be less active too, but it does have more stars.
(10:42:54 AM) jlparry: Seriously, I can't speak for Laravel, but CI should see continued evolution for the next few years
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(10:46:02 AM) fdsds [[email protected]/web/freenode/ip.75.142.44.10] entered the room.
(10:46:18 AM) jlparry: Hmm ... "laravel/laravel" has more stars, but development is supposed to happen on the "laravel/framework" repo, which doesn't have quite so many stars or forks
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(10:47:27 AM) Decimoe: laravel is terrible if you're looking at LTS
(10:47:44 AM) Decimoe: since they come out with a completely new release every year
(10:47:52 AM) Decimoe: that breaks previous versions
(10:48:31 AM) Decimoe: if all you want is the latest for your projects and don't mind rewriting each project every year when a new version releases, then laravel is your choice.
(10:48:58 AM) Decimoe: with codeigniter you're guaranteed backwards compatibility at the cost of the latest tech.
(10:49:14 AM) Decimoe: that's my opinion anyway
(10:50:00 AM) Decimoe: hopefully in at least CI4 we can see some more modern conventions being implemented to bring it somewhat close to the more "modern" frameworks out there.
(10:50:06 AM) jlparry: I concur, but I don't want to say negative things myself
(10:50:18 AM) jlparry: yes
(10:51:10 AM) jlparry: not so much to keep up with the "Jones", but instead to strengthen the framework
(10:51:16 AM) i_eat_hats [[email protected]/web/freenode/ip.75.142.44.10] entered the room.
(10:51:36 AM) i_eat_hats: when is the new codeigniter being released?
(10:51:39 AM) jlparry: soon
(10:51:56 AM) i_eat_hats: like....
(10:52:05 AM) i_eat_hats: this year?
(10:52:17 AM) jlparry: seriously, we have documentation updates, QA pass, release packaging, and then a release candidate
(10:52:23 AM) jlparry: this year == 2015? yes
(10:53:03 AM) Decimoe: if youc an guarantee that no breaking changes will be made
(10:53:10 AM) Decimoe: then maybe I can start using it
(10:53:22 AM) jlparry: this is a huge collective volunteer effort, and we cannot predict with great accuracy exactly when those tasks will be completed
(10:53:51 AM) i_eat_hats: Is it hard to migrate if I use current?
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(10:54:08 AM) jlparry: the only potentially breaking changes would be in the feature/session branch, and I can't speak to that
(10:54:35 AM) jlparry: narf might be lurking, and if so could comment on any breaking changes in that branch
(10:54:59 AM) jlparry: i_eat_hats: hard to migrate from current to official release? no
(10:55:38 AM) i_eat_hats: ya
(10:55:41 AM) Narf: there are some breaking changes, but most are tiny
(10:55:54 AM) Narf: all are described in the upgrade guide
(10:55:54 AM) jlparry: i_eat_hats: hard to migrate from 2.2 to 3.x? lots of picky details to remember ...http://www.codeigniter.com/userguide3/installation/upgrade_300.html
(10:55:57 AM) Narf: http://www.codeigniter.com/userguide3/installation/upgrade_300.html
(10:56:06 AM) jlparry: hehe - we are on the same wavelength
(10:56:22 AM) Narf: in feature/session, there are some too, but are all low-level stuff
(10:56:27 AM) i_eat_hats: Well what if I use the last stable and then migrate
(10:56:40 AM) jlparry: migrate to the current develop branch
(10:56:42 AM) Narf: which means that if you hadn't extended the session library, there shouldn't be any problem
iBotPeaches_ i_eat_hats
(10:58:28 AM) jlparry: i_eat_hats: by "current" above, i was thinking "develop", not "2.2 stable"
(11:00:31 AM) i_eat_hats: Which would you guys suggest, start a project on the latest dev branch, or the last stable?
(11:00:53 AM) jlparry: i suggest the latest dev branch
(11:01:08 AM) Narf: me too
(11:01:11 AM) i_eat_hats: coolio
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(11:07:34 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(11:07:34 AM) jlparry: Thank you for joining us for the CodeIgniter Office Hour
(11:07:34 AM) jlparry: ***************************************************************
(11:07:44 AM) jlparry: ttfn
James Parry
Project Lead
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#3
(01-03-2015, 01:15 PM)jlp Wrote: Just concluded our first office hour. Not a lot of action!
If you are interested in future such sessions, reply to the thread, please.
I like the initiative! But you might wanna pick another time of the week next time.
10 AM PST is 7 PM CET, which is probably fine on a working day but not on a Saturday. That's wife-hours. Smile
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#4
(01-03-2015, 06:03 PM)peterdenk Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 01:15 PM)jlp Wrote: Just concluded our first office hour. Not a lot of action!
If you are interested in future such sessions, reply to the thread, please.
I like the initiative! But you might wanna pick another time of the week next time.
10 AM PST is 7 PM CET, which is probably fine on a working day but not on a Saturday. That's wife-hours. Smile

I was thinking of different times/days each month, to accommodate all our constituents.
We'll see how much interest there is next month Smile
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#5
Erm, I was actually looking forward to it. Maybe I'm losing my mind, but I thought 10PST was midnight EST... or 1AM EST on Sunday....

How did I get the time so wrong?

I was working with CI3 tonight, and had a good question about why does system/core/URI use rawurldecode()? As it was messing with my code. I had to add = to the list of permitted_uri_chars and use base64_encode instead of urlencode to pass a url through a url...

Maybe I'll be able to make the next one.
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#6
OHH 10AM?! Yea... I haven't woken up that early in years...
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#7
PST = Pacific Standard Time (Vancouver time!!)

I also mentioned that it was UTC-8, so everyone could figure out when that would be, their local time.

Sounds like I should poll the community to set the time for the next one (within reason).
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(01-03-2015, 07:19 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: Erm, I was actually looking forward to it. Maybe I'm losing my mind, but I thought 10PST was midnight EST... or 1AM EST on Sunday....

How did I get the time so wrong?

I was working with CI3 tonight, and had a good question about why does system/core/URI use rawurldecode()? As it was messing with my code. I had to add = to the list of permitted_uri_chars and use base64_encode instead of urlencode to pass a url through a url...

Maybe I'll be able to make the next one.

10:00 PST == 13:00 EST, not 01:00 EST Confused
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#9
I'd certainly be interesting participating.  Somehow I missed your notice, even though it was dated three days ago.  Our New Year's everything messed up here...

I would think evenings would be better, in any timezone, so rotating to give everyone an occasional evening window makes more sense to me (I-AM-NOT-A-MORNING-PERSON)...
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#10
(01-03-2015, 09:29 PM)ciadmin Wrote: 10:00 PST == 13:00 EST, not 01:00 EST Confused

Yea, I realize that now. I didn't realize you were setting the time in military time thou. And as mentioned, when I see 10, i most def don't put an AM behind it Wink
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