Codeigniter vs LArave;

I think laravel have butchered the process. Their insistence on using composer put me off from the get go, to me it shouldn't be this ridiculously complicated, I just want to download a zip extract and use. I don't want to download a command line utility which requires it to be constantly updated to then remember some obtuse command line parameters to install a framework- sure you don't need composer, but this is what they insist.

Also tcomposer dependency is a joke, with composer you just pull in a library on git and you're good to go. No you are not. One, does that library require another dependency? Then suddenly you base file is massively bloated. Is that dependency free from bugs or is it not, github is full of all kinds of crap.

Also they're ridiculous naming acroynms, eloquent, mock, and namespacing, php butchered classes imo. I just want to take it back to how it should be. Simple easy and ready to go. Also each revision seems more and more dependent on symphony, it's almost turning into symphony. It's just really bad on all fronts. You'll never catch me using composer.

Mind you this is my biased opinion, and we are on a codeigniter forum. With CI 3.0 ticks all the boxes.

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