(06-07-2019, 01:51 PM)angrymongol Wrote: lol. are you a summer camp coder? stop with the dumb arguments. i tell you composer does not save you time and that is what you say? i AM happy to manage my own libraries. I am unhappy to have to be forced to use composer because there are lazy and ignorant people like you.
Let's try to keep these exchanges civil, please. There are always different views about things, and that's cool, but name calling is not.
I'm not a summer camp coder and I'm happy to use Composer. Composer has several parts, the most important, in my mind, is not the package management, though I do think that's been a boon to the community. To me the most important part, though, is the autoloader. At the time it came out PHP was just really growing into its more powerful object oriented capabilities. Composer became a the defacto way that people could rely on having a consistent autoloader that worked the same way, found the packages the same way, etc, no matter what project they worked on. That was huge then, and is taken for granted in much of the PHP community now.
Packages sprung up as way to easily share and reuse your code. Does it get abused sometimes? Sure. Do you occasionally get into dependency hell? In my experience - yes, but rarely. Not nearly so often as in javascript with Node and npm. There are even packages that check if your installed packages have known security vulnerabilities. Does any of this relieve us of the job of doing our own security evaluations of any packages we use. Nope.
To say it's only used by lazy "summer camp coders" is short-sighted, argumentative, and a lazy argument. And it can save time. No, it doesn't take much time to upgrade small third-party libraries by yourself. It does take time, though, to keep up to do on changes to those third party libraries, and check for security vulnerabilities, etc. Which, when using Composer, is as simple as composer update.
Anyway, didn't really reply here to argue, just to ask everyone to keep it civil and realize it is okay for people to have views and experiences different than our own.
