(11-23-2016, 01:14 PM)cartalot Wrote: Publicly it is a good position not to have a release date for CI 4 and I'm sure that most long time codeigniter users understand this and know the situation. But I sincerely hope that *privately* among the council and core developers - that you do have some strong goals that you are working towards.
There's a huge difference between what we chat internally, what we can commit to and then what we can promise. It's not about publicity - I for one hate this kind of politics - it's about not giving false promises.
(11-23-2016, 01:14 PM)cartalot Wrote: It would be extremely helpful for all of us who try to answer peoples questions on this bulletin board and other places - to have a public page that is linked from the home page that outlines - if not a schedule - then at least a series of steps of what is and will happen to go live with codeigniter 4. Then when people ask this question we can just give them the link.
Problem with that is the same - looking for concrete answers when there aren't such, even if we think that we have them ... The answer to "what's left for CI3 to be complete?" changed at least 5 times.
(11-23-2016, 01:14 PM)cartalot Wrote: Ok now i'm going to be a little more blunt:
You have a public alpha of CI 4 on github with over 500 stars! So of course people are going to ask when its going to be ready. Come on, what do you expect? Be real. Responding to these people, like this OP who obviously is heavily invested into Codeigniter success, with sarcasm or flip answers does not help anyone. People are going to keep asking this question on this board every week. There is a link on the CI 4 github page - thats an announcement from over a year ago. There are some scraps of information buried in bulletin board threads. My suggestion would be a page or locked forum thread that is boldy linked from the github page and the codeigniter home page.
Besides being able to clearly answer a question that will come up all the time - you will get more people helping if they can see a clear and positive plan for finishing and CI 4 being released.
Yes, we know people are going to ask.
They would still ask regularly if we pin a thread with a made-up deadline.
Even if we turn all of the GitHub repo, the forum board and the website into huge, bold, red, all-capital notices that we can't give a deadline - they will find our emails and will try to ask us personally. If someone could dig up my phone number, I'm 100% sure I'd get a call too.
A few uniquely lazy ones will ask even after the release.
But something else is notable about that last quote of yours ... You suggest that we link something, and talk about how it would help, yet you don't say what that something is.
An official deadline? Come on, be real.
