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Code Igniter vs Laravel

(12-28-2014, 01:09 PM)no1youknowz Wrote: Guess what, the uninformed and uneducated shot it down.  

I think CI 4.0 should move in a more radical and more up-to-date fashion than CI 2.0 or 3.0 has now.

It's not a war, we're just sharing opinions and ideas! Nobody know what 4.0 will be like.

(12-28-2014, 01:00 PM)ivantcholakov Wrote: @peterdenk

Just have a look at their repository. It is not a PHP framework, it is an empty application. You can pick from at least two prepared application skeletons. It organizes not only the PHP code, but the assets too. It has internationalization support. More features - observers in their active record, event system, something that is similar to HMVC, they call it "widgets", authentication, and so forth. More man-power. These things you can read alone.

It is interesting to see what other people do with it. I got impressed with this example: http://yii2-starter-kit.terentev.net/ , https://github.com/trntv/yii2-starter-kit - see how logical the structure is - frontend, backend, modules

People are making progress while here we are singing the song "Small, easy to learn, learning curve..., footprint...". IMO this song is delusional and dangerous.

I don't want to open a battle here, I am just sharing what worries me.

Seems I need to give Yii2 a little play around, things seem to be progressing nicely over there.

Before deciding on a path for future versions of CI we need to write a market plan where we decide on what market segments to aim for and which are better handled by other frameworks. No tool can be the perfect solution for every problem, it can merely strive to be the best tool for a small number of problems. This calls for a lot of 'CI vs X'-threads where pros and cons gets evaluated.

This is exactly why I proposed creating a CI4 forum at this time - to discuss where things are headed after 3.

The way I see it, discussions are completely useless.

You see, I'd love a million dollars. Lets discuss this one million dollars shall we? Doesn't mean I am actually going to get it.

As I have seen from these forums:
Some people want a fully stacked framework with auth and all sorts of plugins.
Some people want to get rid of AR and have an ORM.
Some people want a minimal framework.
Some people want to get rid of $this->, other people want to keep it.
Some people want a more laravel style framework and other people want to keep it as it is.

As the axiom states: too many cooks, spoil the broth. Especially when said cooks, wouldn't know how to develop a framework. That's even worse! Sad


At the moment the discussion is useless, indeed. I think @peterdenk is giving a good prescription. When CodeIgniter identifies its market place and its direct competitors, then people will be more focused while suggesting or demanding things.

(12-29-2014, 09:00 AM)no1youknowz Wrote: The way I see it, discussions are completely useless.
As the axiom states: too many cooks, spoil the broth.  Especially when said cooks, wouldn't know how to develop a framework.  That's even worse! Sad

With this kind of attitude, you're right, discussion is useless.

If even people don't know HOW to build a car, they can still discuss how it works and what they would like to see in the next model.

So no matter whether the discussion is from people who "don't know how to build frameworks", it would be by people using the framework, and thus giving the developer(s) insight into what people miss/want. They can use the ideas or not. I don't see anything useless in that.

Please, close this thread.

Happy New Year btw...

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