Opinions on using CI to teach a PHP 'newb'

[eluser]Aea[/eluser]
I share a different view from many of the other people here, I don't believe a framework is exactly the best manner in which something like PHP should be learned. I think that having a solid understanding of PHP will be very important if your friend wants to gain any traction as a programmer. A framework makes implementation easier, it's no substitute for knowing how a particular process / bit of code works. CI is a little bit different since it doesn't try to babysit you, but provides a very limited set of polished (and some absolutely horrible) libraries. Have your friend try to learn programming from scratch until he can make a relatively decent application, then introduce him to CI, this has two benefits: first, he won't feel intimidated and lost when he starts working with CI, and he'll be able to understand the necessity for a framework rather then trusting your decision. I know it sounds like a rather illogical statement, but when I was very new and I looked through CI I was wondering : 'Why the hell do I need objects?,' 'Why would I want to separate my code?,' but when I had some experience (all my work is personal, so I don't have extensive experience in a variety of different fields), I appreciated what CI offered me.