Update a user and still use validation class?

[eluser]mikedfunk[/eluser]
got it, yeah that's what i gleaned in post #5. ooooh i see now, you thought when i said "new form" i meant a form to insert a new record. No, I meant an unsubmitted edit form. ok now we're on the same page... yeah i'll apply that logic in the controller instead of the view to take the logic out of the view.