Keeping eye on competing frameworks

I agree that key for CI longevity lays in getting the right message out there.

It's a bit like PHP still gets stick for being not that good 10-15 years ago, making sure that it's vary clear how CI4 differs from CI3, but also, how it differs from Laravel.

While they have a lot of nice stuff built in, and plenty of both paid and free tools available, I believe that's where CI4 could excel for more sophisticated apps that need custom logic and setup. So it's almost like going for different markets.