Reactor vs Core

[eluser]Daniel Moore[/eluser]
Warning! Daniel Moore has posted an inordinately long post.

[quote author="Phil Sturgeon" date="1294326815"]
[quote author="Daniel Moore" date="1294306342"]due to my aversion to the $_GET support[/quote]

What is the downside to GET string support? You can totally ignore it, it just mean $this->input->get() actually works (when and if you use it). It doesn't need you to change anything in your application, it just means if you want those variables they are there. :coolsmile:
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I don't like the way it looks in the URL. That's why I love CodeIgniter. Nice and clean. However, it's not a deal breaker for me. I don't use all the helpers provided in CodeIgniter, so that's the same difference.

[quote author="Phil Sturgeon" date="1294326815"]
[quote author="Dennis Rasmussen" date="1294322205"]And as Daniel Moores wonderful post says, having to upgrade/patch more than once a month is just awful for production (which I still believe we have to unless you really are careful about this) considering all the changes you want to make in one go[/quote]

Who said you will need to patch more than once a month? And who said we are making loads of changes? The last 5 commits I made were bug fixes!
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Hold on there, Dennis. I never said it was awful for production. I just said I don't like to do it, mostly because of time constraints. I only work part time doing this, because I have a full-time job raising my family. (I'm a stay at home Dad, and wouldn't have it any other way. I like the wife going to work and me staying at home taking care of children, cooking, cleaning, etc.)

As far as having to patch often, I know that's not what is necessary. I initially started with CodeIgniter and downloaded my first copy on March 7, 2008 (1.6.1). I did my first upgrade on January 28, 2009 (1.7.0), and my next upgrade was December 6, 2010 (1.7.3), at which time I noticed on the forums (I had been gone for a while) that 2.0 was available for download. I read about it, and thought about it (not upgrading any of my sites yet, because I was considering whether to jump to 2.0), and then read Phil's blog post about how to make the upgrade to 2.0. Talk about easy, especially if you have an editor than can do reg_ex replacements in all files in all subdirectories. It took me 10 minutes to set up a script file to make the changes for me (I decided to write a PHP Controller script instead of using my editor) and it whipped through all the files faster than I could blink twice. A couple of "move-by-hand" items to proper directories, and I was in business. Everything was working perfectly with 2.0. It was quite painless. I set up my script to point to each of my sites (they are all on the same server, since I host them) and all of them were upgraded very quickly and painlessly.

Now, I will be keeping up with bug-fix patches. I've got my desktop system to automatically update my "working copy" on a daily basis, and occasionally I will go in and see what has been changed, to see if I need to work those changes into my "development copy" (the copy I have set up the way I work, with my own libraries, etc). As long as the changes don't affect the way the code currently works, then I'll probably issue updates to the sites.

When Reactor is made available for cloning, I'll probably do the same there. I would love to get a working copy to see for myself what is going on with it. Especially since I'm at a point where I plan to set up a few new libraries that I've been wanting to do for a while. Having a baby that's turning 1 year old in 3 days has kept me too busy this last year to develop the new stuff I've wanted to do, but she's getting to that point where I can now start back again.

[quote author="Dennis Rasmussen" date="1294322205"][quote author="Phil Sturgeon" date="1294296426"]Seriously, how are people giving this such bad press?[/quote]
Because of you Phil - haven't you figured that out yet?
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I don't like our mail carrier, but I still read the mail and pay the bills he brings. That just doesn't sound like a good argument to me. To each his own. As for me, I will do as my mother taught me, "As much as it is possible to do, that is, the part that is under your control, live at peace with everyone you can." (Yes, she taught me many things from the Bible that has made me a better person.) I must admit that I'm not doing too well at the moment, because I actually responded to that.

[quote author="Dennis Rasmussen" date="1294322205"]
considering all the changes you want to make in one go (you honestly going to believe that it's going to be bug free every patch?
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CodeIgniter core that has been released has never been bug free either. The point is, the developer should work diligently enough to make sure, as far as is possible, that is it as bug free as possible. We have more people looking for bugs on Reactor/Core. Every bug that is found in the core will be fixed in Reactor first. Before, only 2 people were doing bug fixes. Now, an entire community can submit bug fixes. Will it be 100% bug free? Perhaps not, but it will be better than it has been in the past. How can it not?

I'm beginning to think that perhaps I should be keeping up with Reactor. I've pretty much talked myself into it here, although I still probably won't change my sites very often. If you guys put in an auth system, forum, etc. then I'd have to pass. But the enhancements I've seen listed so far seem reasonable, as they "add to" the functionality without forcing you do do things differently.

[quote author="Pschilly" date="1294345052"]If you think that this is a "bad" idea, so be it. If you think it's a great idea, so be it. [/quote]
Thank you. As I'm out of space for posting, I'll stop my rant now myself.